For those of you who haven't heard or are looking for a new bait try using oatmeal. Plain not flavored oatmeal. A friend of mine showed me this. Take a handful of oatmeal in your hand and get it wet enough so you can roll a ball out of it. Be sure not to get it to wet because it wont hold together. Once you have a ball made, use a treble hook and bait the hook with the ball of oatmeal. Becareful casting. It may take a few times to get the hang of using oatmeal but they really go for it. Once you cast it just let it sit on the bottom and wait.
Well if you're real serious here is one I found on the net.
36 # hog brains
40 -60 # cheese
1 gallon shad
Put hog brains in the sun to sour 2 to 3 days
grind cheese
add everything together in a barrel-3 times larger than bait,it will swell.
Mix well
Cover barrel and mix everyother day until it stops swelling.About 2 weeks.
1/2 fill quart jars. it will still swell some.
It says it is good for sponge baits.
To thicken add cattail fuzz.
Hey try useing Limbuger cheese&sardines in oil
You can get the cheese at wal-mart in 8oz jars,its white looking,find some cattails,use the brown part to mix cheese and sardines togather,you can add some flour to help,almost works like punch bait,use treble hook.you can add oil of ansie,about a drop if you by it from drug store tell them its for catfishing ,they should know,are just buy the ansie oil in wal-mart,its not as strong but use it all to mix.once you get it mixed right,try it if there's any cats they'll bite if you dont get a bite move
This type stuff really don't work all that well and is a lot more trouble than it's worth ... the only fish you'll catch on this type stuff is channel cat .... so if you're in the northern part of the US then it might be worth your while but still yet ... the best bait is natural bait meaning what the fish are accustomed to eating.
For channels they're not so particular and will eat shad guts better than about anything and worms during flood water conditions when the water is rising and they're coming up into the river to feed from staging areas like deep holes and lakes.
For Bluecat which is my main species I fish for you're better off fishing for them with nothing but fresh cut bait or live bait ... meaning if you fish cut bait it should be cut from live fish and then changed regularly to maintain it's freshness. #1 Shad, #2 skipjack herring, #3 cut bluegill, #4 any other cut bait, #5 yellow grasshoppers and on and on ... yellow grasshoppers around here is seasonal baits but work well in dam tailwaters from a float rig
For Flathead it's best to use what they eat which is live bluegill and live crappie ... these baits are regulated by some states so you must call or check your local regulations before using any baits ... you can also use other things as well ... Friend of mine from Katchaser does well with goldfish ... some do well with live carp and I've caught flats with live shad a lot ... you will almost always have to use live bait for flats ... in tailwaters they'll hit cut bait at certain times too.
This is not a post to dis anyone's homeade bait recipes or anything but just information to take with a grain of salt if need be ... I like to see people catch fish and I've struggled with all the homeade baits all my life made up by some yahoo that swears by it and gets you to believing in it but then alway never catch anything with it ... then go back to the old faithful baits ... things they're accustomed to eating and catch fish. In farm ponds where the fish are being fed then almost anything will work but not in normal fishing environments. Good Fishing
tiny: I have to disagree with you about the use of dip bait. I take along about every type of bait I can get my hands on. I put out several poles with different bait and change them to match the bite.I by far caught more pounds of cats (blues and channels) on dip this year than all other combined. Next year may be different but it pays to take along a smorgesboard.
work good on smaller fish and will catch the occasional bigger fish but if you're catching 3 lbs and under sized fish that is my point. This is an indicator that there's not any quality fish in the area if you're getting pounded by fish under 3 lbs and in this situation dip baits, dough baits, all kinds of prepared baits work well because they're not quite adept at hunting yet ... once they get over 3 lbs bluecat are predomenantly hunters and go after live bait and won't be fooled by the dips and whatever else ya get from the store ... I'm talking about catching quality fish ... the reason the little ones tear that stuff up is because that's how they survive is by scavenging ... once they mature they will stop scavenging so much and won't bite those type attractants. I'm sure there's cases where once in a while that a person will use this stuff 100 days in a row they'll catch fish on it 4 or 5 times out of the 100 .... I'm talking about catching quality fish 97 out of 100 times that you go
Not everybody has a good fishing hole they always fish,and yahoo's is it hmm then i wonder what you could be yeah live bait is always better,not everybodys got to cast a thousand miles to catch a fish,and sometimes its hard to get the live bait.and i don't remember anybody saying you was mr. pro,cause if you was you would fish in other parts of the country.
I'm disabled for one thing and I am setting up to start tournament fishing this year. The yahoo's I'm speaking of are the drunks and instigators of my childhood ... I learned to tell how they was tellin me whoppers ... as I recall their eyebrows would seperate and raise 30% up their foreheads when they was plagerizing someone's homeade stuff or tellin you a bunch of bull squat. These are the yahoo's I was referring to ... one that told me one day when I was getting ready to go catch bait he'd asked me what I was gonna do and I told him and he said. you need to get some velvetta cheese and some chicken livers and some oatmeal and bring it home and mix that all up to a stiff paste and smear it out on an old board and let it sit in the sun .... I said but I caught a lot of fish yesterday on cut perch ... he sez ... dont' sass me boy ... i"m tellin ya straight ... go on and get the stuff and I sez I only got ten bux ... he pinched his mouth to one side and sed in that case get me a couple of packs of cigs while you're up there and I'll pay ya back .... things wasn't workin out too well today and I did as I was told ... got his cigs and the stuff he'd said to get ... I mixed it all up and smeared it on the board and by this time it was too late to go fishin ... I got up early and gathered up the "goop" and went fishin ... sat there and was getting all kinds of bites but they was little bitty fish knockin the goop off my hook and decided to go catch some bluegill outta the farm pond about a half mile off the river ... caught about 10 gills and made my way back down to the river and started fishin and catching large channels ... 8 to 12 lbs ... then I get home that evening and started cleaning fish and my uncle comes walkin by and sez now see there boy ... you need to listen to your old uncle more often .... hey you got any more money? I'm plum outta smokes. no sir I sure don't ... spent it all on that catfish bait ... he sez well it paid off didn't it and I sed no sir ... caught all these on cut bluegill and he kinda brushed off what I had said and a few days later it was *HIM* that caught the fish on his handy dandy catfish bait recipe. I've been duped into about everything that's come down the pike until I was about 22 or so and that's when I quit using prepared baits ... if I can't get fresh/live bait I don't go ... as for the good fishin hole I'd like to know where that is cause no one ever catches much down there where I fish and that's the reason I've decided to start fishin from a boat ... used to it was a good fishin hole but there were several people that went down there and was illegally selling fish from there and the average sized fish has dropped dramatically from 6 years ago. from about an average 30# flathead to about an average of 8# now. I still catch fish there and usually just fish about 2 to 3 hours but I used to catch a lot more from a boat ... lot bigger too.
I'm trying to understand something about this though ... I see people getting more upset about someone saying their doughbait won't work than if you'd slept with their wife. I don't understand that because it's just a hearsay type deal anyhow as I've heard bout all this stuff all my life and the people that told me about them heard it from someone else and never actually got any experience using this stuff in most cases but if you disagree with them about this type stuff then they get like super po'd. I've never seen anything like it. "Overzealous protectus de plagerized catfish baitus" should be the scientific/technical term for this syndrome.
Doesn't make much difference what you call it but if I can save a person from having to go through all the trials I went through on the prepared baits, then I will. This is just an opposition to the debate of prepared baits instead of just plagerizing another recipe or some made up stuff, to show people there is another side of the issue so they can be well informed when they make up their minds to try the stuff and then make up their minds as to whether or not it works. It does work on the little ones because they eat whatever they can get into their mouths.
If this upsets you then there's not much of that that will concern me as my mind is made up on the issue as i don't depend on luck when I go fishing and try to instill that into the people I talk with ... I try to convey and transfer to them confidence in themselves and tell them to think like "LUCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT" once they realise it doesn't then they'll be catching fish and catching bigguns.
Sorry to hear about the dissapointments in your life.
I personally know of more pounds catfish caucht on stinkbaits than I know of caught any other way.
Please don't get me wrong. If you want to catch all those muddy tasting big cats its fine with me.
There is a reason that catfish farms raise fish to the size they do.They taste better.
I would rather catch a stringer of 2 pounders,even that is a little large, than the big ones you catch.
Quality fish you say??? Whats that? Certainly not a 30 pounder.
If anyone wants catfish bait recipes I found lots of them by searching the net for "catfish bait".
The reason I didn't post baits I thought would probably work was that I've spoken my mind to one poster here before and evidentally chased him away. That was not my reason for posting and now I'm sorry I did.
Your method of fishing, out of the back of a boat in the middle of the river with big tackle using live suckers is not necessarily the way many people like to fish let alone able to afford to fish that way.
There are just so many of those big fish you like to catch. I'd like to be sure they aren't stressed to much and continue to live.
I messed up on the post above ... I was stating that I'm disabled to explain why I don't fish other parts of the country ... I'm also a poor rascal and just now feeling like I can fish from a boat ... my last 7 years of fishing has been mostly from bank with surf rods ... this was why Deg sed that about casting a thousand miles I'm assuming .... when I say quality fish I mean fish over 5 lbs on up to 30 and 40+ ... I personally won't harvest a fish over 7 lbs unless it's caught from a healthy environment or unless it's a flathead ... flathead ain't really all that good to harvest unless they're over 15 lbs or so as there's not much meat on the smaller ones. I try to help people catch "Quality" fish and that's what my web site is about ... helping people catch fish of decent size as most people strive to catch larger fish and concoctions just won't do it unless you've spent months conditioning the fish to hit certain things like dog food or whatever by chumming a hole daily for months.
I don't use suckers for bait either ... easier to catch shad here in oklahoma
Thanks for information,Yes its true that most of the homemade baits catch frying size cats,up to 3-5,good eating size.I caught most of the big cats on small perch and cut baits,or live baits.What about blood bait do you know the right way to make it,nobody seems to want to tell,always wanting money lol
best way to make it is from fresh blood ... best we ever made was from butchering chickens ... chicken blood bait seems to be a lot better than the beef blood but we'd whack their heads off and then hold them down to bleed out in a bowl with about a cup of brown sugar ... this has to be a fast process as the blood starts to gell up really fast ... you need about a quart of blood which it takes about 15 to 20 chickens to produce that amount cause ya get a lot of it splattered all over the place as they don't hold still none too good ... with someone stirring the mess while the others are getting the other chickens it won't gell and then once you get enough you pour it out onto two big cookie sheets or cake pan ... cake pan is easier ... then you let it sit for a while and not in the sun like some advocate and you can also add chicken feathers to it before you pour it into the pans ... you'll want about 3/4" deep or so then after it's gelled up pretty good you take a knife and cut strips and put into butter dishes ... ya know like "parkay" bowls with lids on them and you can freeze them ... works better if not been frozen ... freezing any kind of bait seems to take the goody out of it. We made this stuff when we was kids and it worked well on some pond cats and small ones outta cimarron river in oklahoma. Was easier to just buy it from Delong though which wasn't as good but you could get a gallon of it for a little of nuttin back then. You can also experiment with gellatin in it too but I'd recommend using the pin feathers as that seemed to work really well in holding the bait on the treble hooks.
Tiny: You say that you are catching fish up to 8 pounds where you are fishing now. I hate to bust your bubble but last summer I caught 20 blues over 5 pounds on the Ohio in one morning on dip bait. Yes I do catch bigger fish on fresh bait but to say that dip bait doesn't work is just plain not true. As far as sleeping with someones wife goes you be the one up on the stump foaming at the mouth because someone dare to disagree with you. Bait of choice is kind of like rod of choice depends what works for you and where you fish.
Up here in Northern IL....I have my fav catfish hole & my bait of choice is a dipbait...It's called Sonny's super sticky catfish bait..I use the blood formula instead of the original formula..
not everybody
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